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Lawrence O'Donnell's MSNBC 'Lean Forward' Ad Rated 'Mostly False' By Politifact (VIDEO)

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Politifact looked into O'Donnell after a reader asked the organization to assess the validity of one of the prime time host's "Lean Forward" ads for MSNBC. The "Lean Forward" ads, which have a distinct style, are directed by award-winning filmmaker Spike Lee. The commercials feature network hosts pontificating about political issues of the day while seemingly in mid-conversation with Lee. Hosts including Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell, Al Sharpton, Ed Schultz and O'Donnell are featured the ads.

In one of the many ads, O'Donnell discusses the 1944 passing of the GI Bill. Politifact investigated O'Donnell's claim that critics called the GI Bill welfare. "It’s the most successful educational program that we’ve ever had in this country — and the critics called it welfare," O'Donnell said in the ad.

Politifact rated this statement "mostly false"

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MSNBC host Rachel Maddow has been a harsh critic of Politifact. She has dismissed some of the the organization's ratings and, most recently, called the organization "a disaster."

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Reply#1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:20 PM EST
Robert in Ohio

Gulliver's Island

I am shocked that Mr O'Donnell would stretch and manipulate the truth for the sake of a political message.

Shocked I say

:-o)

People (both sides) tend to try and discredit Politifact when it points out that their side is playing fast and loose with the truth

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Reply#2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:01 PM EST
Sebbydad

Have republicans called government assistance to go to college a form of "welfare" - yes.

Politi-fact is looking for payback on Maddow rightly calling them out on their partisan BS.

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Reply#3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:50 PM EST
Robert in Ohio

Seebydad

Do you have a source for Republicans calling the GI Bill welfare

That is what Mr O'Donnell is saying

We are not talking about Pell Grants etc

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:54 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

Merely calling it a "handout" would be enough.

Did we even have "welfare" back in Truman's administration?

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#3.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST
Sebbydad

Do you have a link saying Democrats are looking to instill communism, socialism or marxism?

Are you saying there were no critics of the bill?

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#3.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST
Gulliver's Island

Do you have a link saying Democrats are looking to instill communism, socialism or marxism?

Who are you directing your comment to?

My point is that nobody actually had to use the word "welfare" for Lawrence's point to be basically correct.

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#3.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:34 AM EST
Robert in Ohio

Seebydad

You are deflecting off the question and subject at hand - is that because you agree that Mr O'Donnell has completely misspoke?

    #3.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:13 AM EST
    Gulliver's Island

    There was definitely resistance to the GI bill at the time.

    • 1 vote
    #3.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:07 AM EST
    Sebbydad

    RIO - The specific quote is on the politifact page -

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/politifact-shakily-rules-against-lawrence-odonnell-days-after-maddow-slam/

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-declares-politifact-dead-over-bogus-lawrence-odonnell-gi-bill-ruling/

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    #3.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM EST
    Robert in Ohio

    Seebydad

    Read your links thanks

    And there is no proof that the GU Bill was called "welfare" which means that Mr O'Donnell's statement was mostly false.

    And the fact that Ms Maddow would speak against PolitiFact certainly raises there credibility in the eyes of millions of Americans

      #3.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:09 PM EST
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      Plantsmantx

      "Politifact looked at that record," Maddow said, "and they found that the chairman of the veterans affairs committee in the House at the time criticized the GI bill by saying, "The bane of the British Empire has been the dole system.'"

      So...they're calling it mostly false because they didn't find any quote which used the specific word "welfare". They're being that literal in determining that O'Donnell "lied"?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM EST
      Sebbydad

      same group that says Rubio was mostly true when he said most Americans are conservative, even though their own research said that that statement was categorically false. If I didn't know better, I'd say Murdoch ran the site.

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      #4.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:56 PM EST
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      Roy Batty

      OK, from the first two pages of a Bing search:

      http://www.milestonedocuments.com/documents/view/gi-bill/
      The economy boomed, suburbs burgeoned, and colleges and universities expanded because of the GI Bill. In reality, this legislation created a large federal welfare program, but one without most of the liabilities that critics often associated with government efforts to improve social conditions.

      http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20120206/OPINION/202060308/End-pension-congressmen
      An example: Recently, I heard a conservative praising the World War II GI Bill of Rights. I was taken aback! The lady sounded like Rachel Maddow. Only, she'd enjoyed the benefits firsthand. She's not alone. Most folks agree that the GI Bill was the best investment in history.

      Yet at the time, some called it welfare.

      http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/j_keene.htm
      The GI Bill is rarely remembered as the final legacy of World War I to the nation. Yet ignoring Great War veterans' authorship of the GI Bill results in an imperfect understanding of why the law took the form it did when it did. Line by line, the most comprehensive piece of social welfare legislation the United States has ever known, it illustrated in vivid detail the struggles World War I veterans had endured to give meaning to their social contract with the state.

      http://prospect.org/article/delivering-young-families-resonance-gi-bill
      Once the New Deal was overtaken by mobilization for war, Roosevelt acknowledged that steps would need to be taken to compensate for the disruptions suffered by millions of young draftees. Yet the plans for postwar demobilization hatched by his administration and its liberal allies consistently sought to address the needs of veterans in the context of building a stronger welfare state for all Americans.

      http://2164th.blogspot.com/2009/07/government-welfare-plan-to-be-proud-of.html
      A Government welfare plan to be proud of, the new GI Bill

      http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jan/02/letter-welfare-worked/?print=1
      I guess the writer doesn't remember one of the most successful so-called welfare programs of the last century, the GI Bill.

      http://field-negro.blogspot.com/2011/11/bully-and-future-welfare-recipient.html
      One of the biggest welfare programs in this country's history, the GI Bill, benefited a lot of white folks after World War II.

      So there you have it, multiple references to the questioned phrase at hand, critics calling the GI bill welfare.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:42 PM EST
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